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Mark Campbell
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 - posted December 11, 2006 06:00 PM      Profile for Mark Campbell   Email Mark Campbell         Edit/Delete Post 
Still curious if anyone had an answer to my question:

What was the general practice for 1.85:1 blow ups? Crop the tops and bottoms?

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Michael Coate
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 - posted December 11, 2006 10:16 PM      Profile for Michael Coate   Email Michael Coate         Edit/Delete Post 
Mark:
The general practice in the '60s and '70s was to crop the top and bottom. In the '80s and '90s, most 1.85:1 films retained that ratio in 70mm by having black matte printed on the left and right edges of the 70mm frame.

By the way, Mark, you quoted me a few posts ago regarding my comment about blow-ups being in a 2.00:1 aspect ratio. I suspect you misunderstood my point. I was not making a general comment; I was making a specific comment regarding the 70mm prints of "Days Of Heaven," which, I'll repeat for clarity, were in a 2.00:1 ratio (with only a slight bit of black matte on its left and right edges).

I also think some confusion exists regarding the projection ratio of 70mm. It is 2.20:1, not 2.00:1.

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Ron Keillor
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 - posted December 11, 2006 10:47 PM      Profile for Ron Keillor   Email Ron Keillor         Edit/Delete Post 
Coppola's ONE FROM THE HEART played the Vogue Vancouver in 70mm. I don't remember the surrounds being used, but our resident tech told me that only the ouside L + R and centre speakers were used behind the screen, the purpose of the 70mm print being to get a wider sound stage (instructions from Coppola about this came with the print). The curtains had to open to 'scope so the sound would come through from those speakers, and the booth ports were masked so that no scratches or negative dirt flashes would appear. I think additional light cloth border masking was installed also as the regular masking did not come in far enough. A lot of trouble could have been saved by simply changing the speaker leads and using a 35mmm print, but then I didn't think much of the film.
The booth in this theatre is placed quite high, so there is evident keystoning on the screen, particularly in "flat" presentations and 16mm.

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Michael Coate
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 - posted December 11, 2006 11:20 PM      Profile for Michael Coate   Email Michael Coate         Edit/Delete Post 
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Coppola's ONE FROM THE HEART played the Vogue Vancouver in 70mm.
And this was a rare example of a 1.37:1 image on a 70mm print. Lots of black printed on the sides of the frame. I recall the Vancouver engagement promoting it as a "70mm Academy Frame Dolby" presentation.

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the purpose of the 70mm print being to get a wider sound stage
I always assumed the purpose of using 70mm prints for "One From The Heart" was to ensure it got projected in 1.37:1. I imagine many, if not most or all, of the venues screening it in 35mm would've ignored the filmmaker recommendation and cropped the image down to 1.85:1 as they would for any other 35mm spherical print.

[ December 12, 2006, 08:26 PM: Message edited by: Michael Coate ]

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Michael Coate
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quote:
i also saw "The Black Stallion in 70mm
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"The Shining" in 1980 at another late,great Vegas landmark,the single screen Mann Fox
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Star Trek I, SRO Cinerama
It seems unlikely that any of these titles were actually seen in 70mm as claimed.

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Richard A Stegman Jr
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 - posted January 10, 2007 10:37 PM      Profile for Richard A Stegman Jr   Email Richard A Stegman Jr         Edit/Delete Post 
OK,i might be off about "The Shining",but "The Black Stallion" was advertised as a 70mm movie in the paper and it played in the big,70mm equipped,screen at the Plitt Parkway triplex in Las Vegas.

The same screen also hosted screenings of "Alien" & "The Empire Strikes Back."

Those were definitely 70mm showings.

As was "Raiders of the Lost Ark" at the Mann Fox.

Oh,the memories that flood back...

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Michael Coate
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Richard...
I think there's a misunderstanding of what constitutes a 70mm presentation. Of all the titles you cite, the only one I think played in 70mm in Las Vegas was "The Empire Strikes Back."

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Richard A Stegman Jr
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Ok...i was wrong. "The Black Stallion" wasn't a 70mm movie. Well...i was only 10 at the time. [Smile]

But "R.O.T.L.A.","Alien" and "E.S.B." WERE 70mm movies in Vegas.

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Mark Lensenmayer
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 - posted January 11, 2007 06:28 PM      Profile for Mark Lensenmayer   Email Mark Lensenmayer         Edit/Delete Post 
OK, boys, you have inspired me. I used Mike Coate's excellent lists to make up my official 70mm list. We did have 70mm here in the "heartland" and I saw almost everything that was available.

I also want to note seeing BEST OF CINERAMA and HTWWW in 3-strip at the Grand Cinerama in Columbus, and all of the Cinerama films at the Neon in Dayton.

Just a note on ONE FROM THE HEART. I think this is in 70mm because it was shown at the premiere at the Music Hall, and the film has a LOT of music that really needed the mag track.

My all-time great 70mm day was to see SHORT CUTS and GETTYSBURG in Detroit on the same day. Yes, over 7 hours of 70mm glory!

How I miss the Good Old Days of 70mm!

Year Film Location
? Around The World In 80 Days Hunt's Cinestage Columbus
? Sleeping Beauty Hunt's Cinestage Columbus
? Ben Hur Hunt's Cinestage Columbus
? Lawrence of Arabia Hunt's Cinestage Columbus
1963 It's A Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World Grand Cinerama Columbus
1965 Magnificent Men In Their Flying Machines Cinema East Columbus
1965 Hallelujah Trail Grand Cinerama Columbus
1966 Battle of the Bulge Grand Cinerama Columbus
1966 Dr. Zhivago Hunt's Cinestage Columbus
1967 Sand Pebbles (?) Cinema East Columbus
1967 Gone With The Wind Northland Mall Columbus
1968 2001: A Space Odyssey Grand Cinerama Columbus
1969 Chitty Chitty Bang Bang Grand Cinerama Columbus
1969 Sweet Charity Hunt's Cinestage Columbus
1978 Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band Oakbrook Chicago
1979 Superman Woodfield Mall Chicago
1979 Exorcist State/Lake Chicago
1979 Alien Dayton Mall Dayton
1979 The Rose Continent Columbus
1980 Empire Strikes Back Dayton Mall Dayton
1981 Raiders Of The Lost Ark Showcase Springdale Cincinnati
1982 Quest for Fire Cinema East Columbus
1982 Tron Tri-County Cincinnati
1982 Paint Your Wagon Eastland Mall Columbus
1982 Tommy Eastland Mall Columbus
1983 Blue Thunder Showcase Springdale Cincinnati
1983 Around The World In 80 Days Cinema East Columbus
1983 One From The Heart Cinema East Columbus
1983 Oklahoma Cinema East Columbus
1983 Return Of The Jedi LaJolla Village San Diego
1984 Brainstorm Eastland Mall Columbus
1984 Indiana Jones & The Temple of Doom Dayton Mall Dayton
1984 Star Trek III: Search for Spock Tri-County Cincinnati
1984 2010 Continent Columbus
1985 Goonies Dayton Mall Dayton
1985 Young Sherlock Holmes Showcase Cinema Toledo
1986 Clan Of The Cave Bear Cinema East Columbus
1986 Top Gun Northland Mall Columbus
1986 Aliens Eastland Mall Columbus
1986 Howard The Duck Northland Mall Columbus
1986 The Mission Continent Columbus
1986 Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home Northland Mall Columbus
1987 The Untouchables Northland Mall Columbus
1989 Batman Northland Mall Columbus
1989 Batman Severidge Mall Cleveland
1989 Lawrence of Arabia Colony Cleveland
1990 Dick Tracy AMC Dublin Columbus
1990 Ten Commandments Colony Cleveland
1992 Beauty & The Beast Guild 50th NYC
1992 Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country Coventry Cleveland
1992 Howard's End Fine Arts NYC
1992 Far & Away Continent Columbus
1993 Hoffa Showcase Cincinnati Cincinnati
1993 Gettysburg UA Mall Detroit
1993 Short Cuts Main Detroit
1996 Vertigo Coventry Cleveland
1999 Lawrence of Arabia New Neon Dayton
2003 2001: A Space Odyssey Wexner Center for the Arts Columbus
2004 Playtime Wexner Center for the Arts Columbus

BTW, the overly-compressed track of DREAMGIRLS cries out for a well mixed 70mm track.

[ February 19, 2007, 06:53 PM: Message edited by: Mark Lensenmayer ]

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Richard A Stegman Jr
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BTW, the overly-compressed track of DREAMGIRLS cries out for a well mixed 70mm track.
Hello! Thank you!!! This movie totally would've been so much better in 70mm.

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Michael Coate
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quote:
Ok...i was wrong. "The Black Stallion" wasn't a 70mm movie. Well...i was only 10 at the time.

But "R.O.T.L.A.","Alien" and "E.S.B." WERE 70mm movies in Vegas.


Richard:
If you were ten when you saw "The Black Stallion" then this would mean you were (nine or) ten when you saw "Alien"...

As I suggested in my last post, I think you are confusing 70mm magnetic stereo presentations with those of 35mm optical stereo.

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Jim Perry
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'But "R.O.T.L.A.","Alien" and "E.S.B." WERE 70mm movies in Vegas.'

Ummmm Richard, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but you really need to check your facts BEFORE making such BOLD STATEMENTS!

For the record, as a native Las Vegan, I can tell you, right here & now, that of these 3 you mentioned, ONLY "The Empire Strikes Back" had a 70mm first-run engagement here (yes, it was at the Parkway).
BUT - as for "Alien" (also first-run at the Parkway) & "Raiders" (first-run at the Fox Charleston), both of these were STRICTLY in 35mm. And NEITHER were advertised in the Vegas newspapers (the RJ & the Sun) as being in 70mm as well - as far as the "Raiders" engagement goes (it played from Friday, June 12 thru Thursday, Dec. 3rd '81), most of the Fox newspaper ads had 'Dolby Stereo' printed in BOLD type.
Also want to add that about 3 weeks prior to the "Raiders" engagement, the Fox ran the Disney double-bill of "The Black Hole" & "Sleeping Beauty" - both in 70mm & advertised as such. That played from Friday, April 24th to mid May (the Fox then played Richard Pryor's "Bustin' Loose", and it was during the final week of this engagement that they ran the sneak preview of "Raiders" IN 35mm Dolby on Friday, June 5th - I went to that sneak preview, too).

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David Au
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I saw Captain EO in 70mm at Disneyland numerous times. I still recall the amazing 3D effects and very loud sound. You could feel the explosions and you could hear the spaceship thunder over your head. They ran that movie dozens of times a day for over 10 years at Disneyland. How did they ever keep the film in such good condition?

Also, Star Tours at Disneyland is 70mm. That has been playing for over 20 years. The film is projected onto the screen from a 70mm projector that is below the cockpit barrier.

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Chris Utley
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Hey Michael Coate: Are you going to the 70MM "2001" showing at The Dome on 1/30? I'd love to hook up with you. I'll have members of my film club there as well and they'd most def be giddy to hear about your 70MM film experiences.

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Michael Coate
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Chris...

I do plan to attend, and, sure, I'd be interested in meeting up with you before or after the show.

One possible snag is that I've accepted an out-of-state work assignment with a late-January start date, in which case I will miss the screening. I'm told, though, that the project's start date may get pushed back a few weeks. I'll keep you posted.

Contact me offsite if you wish. I don't visit CinemaTour as often as I once did (one reason I'm just now seeing your post).

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